Archive for February, 2010

58 And Counting

Sunday, February 28th, 2010

Well, I kept the streak intact thanks mostly to a pretty big night on Friday night where I finally got some momentum going in my direction. I scratched out a small win today as well in about a 5,000 hand session. I intended to play a ton of poker today, but saw that I got in the black for the month after finally checking the cashier and truthfully, I am just flat our exhausted right now.

This month has been incredibly draining for me. I think if I look close enough, I had to have sprouted some grey hairs. I have been sick for the past week with a nasty cold and never really felt like playing much, but with a 57 month winning streak on the line, my competitiveness took over and I had to get my grind on. If I was going to go down, I wanted to go down swinging.

I am going to take a few days off and get some tax stuff together so I can see how I am fairing with good old Uncle Sam. After a few years as a poker pro and running across some horrible accountants, I finally found a good one in Aaron Eichenbaum. I am going to insert his link here because I get tons of people asking me for a good one, so for anyone interested, you can reach his firm http://www.fordhamgoodfellow.com/ here

I really dread this tax stuff. I wish there was some kind of simple system. I know a lot of people argue it should be a simple system for a variety of reasons, but mostly for me, I just despise keeping track of all this shit. Keep a receipt from here, but not there, write this off don’t write that off….sigh. Between playing poker, writing books, caring for a newborn, trying to be a good husband, making videos for Dragthebar.com, and dealing with all of life’s challenges, who has time for this shit? Can’t there just be some simple way of doing it?

In any event, I am super relieved to have pulled out a winning month when I was losing just 72 hours ago. I can’t say I feel clutch or anything because really I just stopped getting relentlessly unlucky for a short stretch finally, but I guess I definitely take some pride in the fact that I did pull out a small win (I don’t have a final tally, but it will be somewhere between a $5k and $10k win) despite feeling physically and mentally beat up. Running bad over a spread of 15+ high stakes tables with long sessions day after day, in conjunction with having a large number of responsibilities/obligations, can really wear on a person. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother caring. It isn’t like life will stop if I don’t make money for a little while. Nor will it really alter my life in any way. But there is just something internal that makes me feel like I have do things and I don’t really have a reasonable explanation for it.

Thanks to everyone who was following this pursuit and to the people who encouraged me. It definitely didn’t hurt to know that there were a lot of people in my corner pulling for me so thanks to everyone for that. I also look forward to reading the rants of the legendary Cardplayer commenter, “Venable.” “Venable,” I have been reading your posts and you are really making me laugh man. I love it. Please don’t stop posting. I will see if I can make some calls and get you a “lucky account” so that way we can be “lucky account” brothers.

The Streak Is In Serious Danger

Friday, February 26th, 2010

All right, so here we go.  3 days left in the February and I am down slightly on the month. I am in danger of my first losing month of my career.  I have shown a profit each and every month since April of 2005.  That is 57 straight months of making money at the tables and probably my most prized accomplishment in poker.  There may be someone else who has done better than that, but either way, I am intent on keeping the streak alive.

I suppose the classy thing to say would be to say that I have played poorly this month or that I have lost my focus.  But I feel saying that would diminish the hard work of the poker Gods.  They have tugged on my doom switch and held onto it with some kind of kung fu grip that I can’t seem to get them to let go of.

In all seriousness, I am very proud of both the way I have played and how I have dealt with this emotionally.  Never in my career of well over 7 million hands of poker have I seen anything like what I have experienced this month.  I still am in shock that Ashton Kutcher hasn’t popped out of my closet and told me I was being punked!

Most of the long bad runs I have endured have come with some excitement.  I may break even for 100k hands, but within those 100k hands, I have had numerous big upswings followed by a downswing.  Those are emotional roller coasters as well, don’t get me wrong, but at least there are typically some periods of feeling like you know what you are doing.  In this particular stretch, I would liken it to death by 1,000 paper cuts.  I basically run about $6k behind EV every day and lose a little each day.  My biggest upswing of the last 2 weeks is 5 buy ins!!  This is not a joke.  5 buy ins!!

What is done is done.  I can’t go back in time and undo bad beats or a lack of upswings.  All I can do is play my best and hope that I am given something more than a lump of coal for my efforts.  I am not sure what is at stake other than my own pride.  I suppose if we kept official records like MLB or the NBA, it is possible that the 57 straight winning months streak might be some sort of record that was in jeopardy for me, but since we don’t, it is just my own personal competitiveness at stake here.  I HATE losing.  And I really HATE losing over a month’s time.  But I suppose if it ends at 57, it will still have been a pretty good run and I know I will have gone out swinging.

Well, I’m off to the tables now.  Going to play at least 20,000 hands before the end of the month so I do have some time.  That being said, I am pretty deflated right now and while I feel confident about my game and it’s ability to go on a massive heater to end the month, I have stared at bad beats pretty much all month, so many of them in fact that it is almost hard to imagine not getting unlucky.  It has almost become a way of life this month haha.  But I know I can’t think like that.  I have to envision great plays and the cards falling my way.  With 20,000 hands left, there is still time.

I will keep everyone updated on the outcome.

It’s Greek to me

Wednesday, February 24th, 2010

The only word I recognize in this story about me by Greek Poker News is “Leatherass.” But I appreciate their taking the time to do a story on me. I’m flattered.

Employment opportunity …

Tuesday, February 23rd, 2010

I’m looking to hire a poker player or two with an eye for marketing and social media …

Imagine Media, LLC, a dynamic Portland, Ore.-based mixed media firm, is seeking a marketing assistant to help manage the company’s Internet and social media platforms. This individual will proactively seek to add members to our social network, assist with search engine optimization, research new social media solutions, and help with daily maintenance of our data base.

An understanding of the online poker environment is essential, as is a strong comprehension of social media and Internet marketing. An ideal candidate will be a gifted collaborator, have a proven ability to work on his/her own, and an inclination to be an early adopter of Internet technology. This individual will work 20-30 hours a week from home, and will have the ability to make his/her own hours to a certain degree. This is a contracted position, though our hope is this person will grow with our company and eventually become an employee. The perfect candidate would live in the Pacific Northwest, though that’s not mandatory. Pay is $10/hr. at the outset.

We have a great team that is forward-looking and collaborative. Whomever we select will have the chance to be a part of something special, with a key role in our company’s growth.

Please send your resume, along with a cover letter that explains how you meet the aforementioned criteria, to info@imagine-books.net.

First Card Player Column

Tuesday, February 23rd, 2010

It’s a huge honor for me to be asked to be a columnist for Card Player Magazine. Here’s my first piece.

Garbage From Time To Time

Sunday, February 21st, 2010

Other than yesterday’s tourney score (which despite the tourney win, I am pretty sure I still lose money on the day), I have been on one of the top 5 worst runs of my career. Some people ask me what happens during very bad runs and mainly what has happened this particular time is that I am very rarely running a big hand into another slightly weaker big hand and another huge reason for running bad is that I am running into the top end of my opponent’s range nearly every time.

So what I mean by running into the top end of my opponent’s range is that let’s say against an aggressive opponent I raise a hand like AT. The flop comes T56 with 2 spades. I bet and get check/raised. Now there are games out there where you can consider folding, but at high stakes the check/raise is air quite often and mostly draws. So AT is a pretty big hand against what they usually have. So you can get it in on the flop or call and get it in on a lot of turns or play it a variety of different ways depending on the stack size. Well, what keeps happening is that my opponents have a set seemingly every time lately. When they don’t have a set, they have a flush draw that gets there.

Bottom line is that I just can’t win a pot right now and I am in some serious jeopardy of recording my first losing month of my career. I have never had a losing month primarily because I play so much poker that it is really hard to lose money over 100-200 thousand hands in a month. I have had tons of nasty 100k+ hand streaks where I have broke even or lost, but they have all come from the middle of one month to the middle of another month, so I have always scratched out a nice paycheck each month. While I have to think that over the next 7 days things will turn around, I am not optimistic given how deflated I am right now.

One thing people often don’t think about is that it is a great disadvantage in poker to run poorly. Now I know what you are thinking. “Of course it is a disadvantage to run bad in poker duh.” But what I mean by that is beyond the obvious reasons it is a disadvantage to run bad, there is also the reason where when you are getting all of the money in in a dicey spot and running into the nuts all the time, you aren’t learning anything about your opponent’s game, yet they are learning all kinds of things about your game. All you can see is their top set type of hand and they are seeing your entire range of hands since you are getting the money in with all sorts of stuff. So it is a MASSIVE disadvantage to run as bad as I am running because there is no question that people are learning things about me and I am gaining little to nothing on my opponents lately.

It is also a huge disadvantage because we are not robots playing poker here. We are human beings and when it feels like you run every damn hand you play into the stone cold nuts, all of a sudden when someone raises you on the flop your instinct is to not want to play back at your opponent with hands you might fight back with when you are not running poorly. After all, who the hell wants to play back at someone who has the nuts every hand?

So anyway, a lot of why I wrote this was not to whine (after 7+ million hands, it still is painful, but I am definitely getting used to it), but rather to let you guys know that everyone runs like total shit from time to time and for very long periods periodically. I know a lot of you watch TV and see guys like Doyle or Ivey and just assume that they print money every time they are at the table. That is far from the case. These people have (I can’t verify this, but am certain I am not wrong) all had massive ups and downs in their careers and while they may not want to admit it, I am certain they have felt at one point or another that maybe they will never win again or that they have lost their touch etc. The thing is, it happens to everyone and if you are getting endlessly screwed at the tables right now, you are not alone, trust me.

Had A Nice Tourney Score Today!

Sunday, February 21st, 2010

A couple of blogs ago I talked about making a run at the WSOP this summer. Since then I have thought about it some more and I am definitely doing it. It really sounds fun to me for once. Having had some success online, it has always made me wonder how I might do out there with the real bad asses like Doyle Brunson, Phil Ivey etc. At this point in my poker career I am a NL holdem specialist, can play mid stakes PLO profitably, and could eek out a living at Stud HI/lo and PLO Hi/lo. So by no means am I proficient enough to play a well rounded player like a Brunson or Ivey, but I feel pretty good about my NL game overall.

The last couple of days I have begun entering tournaments online and had my first victory today! I won the $109, $40,000 guarantee for a nice $9,000 score. It was pretty thrilling to win a tournament because I am used to simply grinding out cash all day, so I don’t really get any thrills out of that. But to actually win a tournament felt pretty cool to be honest.

I can’t let this go to my head though and feel like I got this tournament thing down and don’t need to prepare very hard for the WSOP. I know that I have a very long way to go before I can expect to make confident decisions at the WSOP tables. I mean, I know I could kinda just show up to the WSOP and expect to do OK, but I don’t like to do anything just OK, I like to try and see what I am capable of.

Anyway, thought I would post this little brag since I never do anything worth a crap in tournaments and it felt pretty good to win a tournament, even if it was a smallish event

Two nice articles

Saturday, February 20th, 2010

I’m always very grateful when journalists show an interest in me, but far more so when they write about our House of Cards Project, which aims to house and feed the homeless in Portland. Here’s a recent article from Portland Magazine, and another from Poker Works.

Aejones, a hypocrite and a Liar

Friday, February 19th, 2010

Since I do not post on twoplustwo.com, I would like to address the many false things Aejones has recently said about me after I pointed out his blatant hypocrisy in my last blog.  In this post aejones made several lies that I am going to take the opportunity to refute.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=16931069&postcount=39

I would like to address quote for quote what Aejones has said that is 100% false.

Aejones quote: “I don’t normally take the time to respond or care about LA, all I will say is that the distinctions I make are that:”

Reality:  Aejones has trolled me around for over 2 years now.  If you don’t believe me, use the search function on 2+2 and search for keyword “leatherass” and find posts by user “aejones.”  What you will find is a constant trolling of me in the forums.

To add to that,   I recently received a PM from someone who wished to remain anonymous who used to work for Leggo Poker.  That person told me that when they worked for Aejones, he told several coaches  who worked for him to call me out on 2+2 or do anything to try and create a lot of 2+2 buzz because they felt that by using me to draw attention to themselves, the word would easily spread about Leggo Poker and that they would gain extra sign ups.   The anonymous person told me that it was nearly the focal point of their marketing strategy.  The felt the 2+2 market was so valuable that gaining as much notoriety for themselves would lead to them building a nice business for themselves.

Aejones Quote: “BW’s poker video was good, which tells me he is actually thinking about hand ranges instead of simply narrating the action, if you haven’t seen it you can’t comment on that.”

Reality: My videos were the most watched videos on Stoxpoker, my book has sold incredibly well and you will be hard pressed to accomplish that by simply narrating the action at the tables.  I have provided for minimal pay, content to the members of Stoxpoker and have received literally thousands of messages from people who have told me that my advice made a massive difference in their games, including the person aejones just hired, Boywonder.

Aejones quote: “LA, as far as everyone who has played with him is concerned, is excruciatingly mind-bogglingly tight, such a tightness that is not good for the games, I do not believe that BW is nearly that nitty.”

Reality:  No matter how people perceive my play, I believe my record speaks for itself.  I have won what I have won through play that is clearly making money at high stakes poker.  And now that it has become obvious that your whole “bumhunter” claims are inarguably absurd, I’m not really sure what you have left other than admit that I must be doing some things right at the tables.

Aejones quote: “LA used to mutli-table and purely shortstack, as far as I know BW has never just loaded up 12 tables with 20 bbs and jammed over opens.”

Reality: I have toyed around with a few things in poker throughout my career (who hasn’t?) but is there anyone who seriously would define me as a shortstacker and actually keep straight face?  The reality is I have played more hands at high stakes poker with a full buy in than anyone on earth.  To characterize me as a shortstacker for playing at most 100 hours of poker shortstacking way back over 3 years ago, long before anyone knew who I was, is absurd.

Aejones quote: “As far as I know BW does not sit out the EXACT hand that the fish does, which I know LA does (or did for a relevant period of time in his poker career).

Reality:  This is just a lie.  I don’t even know what more to say.  Could someone have gotten a screenshot where I was sitting out when a fish is sitting out?  Of course.  Does that mean I did it intentionally?  Of course not.  And does that mean I do that as a standard practice?  Absolutely not.  This is just a classic case of aejones rallying his troops to try and smear my reputation by having several of his buddies post on an internet forum telling people I do something that I do not even do so he can try and sell memberships to his website.

I don’t claim to be a perfect person and I don’t fault anyone for thinking that I am a d-bag or whatever people say.  People can not like me for any reasons they want.  Sure I put myself out there a lot and do some goofy stuff.   I kind of just am who I am.   There are absolutely some people out there who don’t like me, but I am comfortable in my own skin and while I may not be a perfect person, I genuinely do strive to better the lives of those around me each and every day.   I try to do my best and embrace a business philosophy of everyone has to win or I won’t do business.  But I will have to admit, it is pretty frustrating when some people don’t like you because some hypocritical liar is out spreading lies about you so he can sell some memberships to his website.

Aejones quote: “I retract the statement I made about 50k hands a month, that is clearly wrong, I just have NO idea about volume– last month I think I played 20k hands and that was probably my highest volume month in the last 2 years!”

Reality: Well maybe in aejones world , you can just flip flop and say anything you want and add and subtract it for when it works for you, but to normal people, yes you just are a hypocrite.  You flat out called me a bumhuter for 2 years and then when your prized new hire was criticized for the exact same things that you criticized me for, you then decided to become a logical person and admit that you CAN NOT be a “bumhunter” and play 50 thousand hands a month (which I typically play at least double that)!  Now that you are pointed out as a hypocrite, you want to just retract that?  Give me a break dude.  You can’t just add and subtract statements whenever you want them to work for you. That is not the way the real world works. You are just a hypocrite!

Aejones quote: “I’m not really sure what LA is trying to get from me. We are clearly completely different people, but he attacks me personally frequently and doesn’t attack my poker game.”

Reality:  I do not frequently attack aejones.  I have definitely defended myself as I am certainly doing right now.  Again, I would urge people to use their search feature on 2+2 and search for the term “leatherass” and then insert “aejones” under posts by user.  The record is quite clear.  Aejones harasses me constantly.  I would encourage people to do the reverse and I challenge people to find instances where I attack him personally unsolicited.  Like I said, you will unquestionably find that I have said plenty of stuff to him, but it will become painfully obvious that I don’t instigate trouble with him.  Aejones makes fun of me in videos (very professional of a poker training site CEO I know lol), blog posts and constantly on 2+2.

Aejones quote: “Additionally I am out to do what is best for my poker training website”

My response: yes Aejones, that has become quite apparent.  You will do WHATEVER it takes for your training site to succeed, even if that means slandering people who never intended to have any beef with you.  There are no boundaries to what you will do for your training site and that is exactly the problem I have with you.

Obsession With Bumhunter

Thursday, February 18th, 2010

I feel like in the last few blogs there have been some pretty interesting stuff to talk about in the poker world. I don’t know why, but I just hear the dumbest things being said that make absolutely no sense lately. A few days ago I talked about Doyle and how he’s basically the man and somehow gets picked on by random guys who may have went on a $50k heater playing mid stakes and got a bunch of 2+2 cred…lol.

Then I noticed that Boywonder was getting flack when he pretty much destroys all of the regulars at his game and they are too prideful to try and figure out why. Much easier to just try and tear the guy down obviously. That almost seems like the substitute in our lazy culture these days. Can’t actually beat someone, no problem, just hop on an internet forum and tear them down! Why not? Spending that time trying to figure out how to beat them is for pussies. Why do that when you can sit behind a computer screen on an anonymous account and make shit up about that person? That’s the way the real stud puppies do it!!!

For quite awhile the fictitious issue of “bumhunting” has existed. I think AEjones may have been the person to first coin the term for 6-9 max players. For quite awhile he targeted me as the biggest “bumhunter” on the internet by telling everyone who would listen to him that my only real skill in poker was that I “bumhunted.” I suppose he felt it was advantageous to him as someone who had his own training site to try and tear me down as I worked for a competitor of his. Calling someone a “bumhunter” who regularly 16+ tables high stakes poker online was a comical claim to begin with for obvious reasons, but then a strange thing happened yesterday. He recently hired a internet phenom names Boywonder and Boywonder, much like myself, also plays high stakes poker across many, many tables. And when his prized new hire was getting flamed in the 2+2 forums for being a “bumhunter”, there was Mr AEjones defending him to death using all the same arguments that he argued against so passionately in the past.

I will say I have seen a ton of really pathetic things since I have become a poker player, but AEjones really is competing for top honor in spending like 2 years calling me out for a bunch of nonsense and now that the same nonsense is being said about his prized new hire, Boywonder, now Aejones magically agrees with me that it is nonsense!  Funny how that works.  Sounds like AEjones does what is best for AEjones, truth be dammed!  I swear I haven’t seen anyone do anything this hypocritical since Sarah Palin made fun of President Obama for using a teleprompter and then got caught writing what she wanted to say on her palm!Before any of this happened, I have for quite some time been thinking about writing about why the issue of “bumhunting” is so ludicrous. But then I saw my friend Hunter Bick who is the CEO of Dragthebar.com write about it better than I ever could have. I hope you guys enjoy this blog by Hunter which I will copy/paste below:

  • The obsession with the word “Bumhunter,” and why it makes no sense*

The term “bumhunter” gets thrown around like crazy these days, and it basically makes no sense at all. Originally the term was coined to describe someone who sits around waiting for heads up action, but refuses to play anyone who is not a total fish. Then it started to mean someone who only plays bad players but not anyone good, so the meaning started applying to more and more people, but the concept remained the same: heads up player who only plays weak players. Some people look down on that, which is their right, but then they bash bumhunters for their high winrate and high earnings by saying they suck at poker because they bumhunt. Alright fine, I don’t really agree with that, but at least there’s a reasonable thought process behind that argument when it applies only to heads up players.

But now “bumhunter” is being applied liberally to 6max players. How is it even possible to bumhunt at 6max? The very nature of 6max, and the reason I’m getting back into it, is that you simply cannot avoid playing with good players if they are at your table. You have to play pots with them, period. So the answer to that question is, well if there’s a fish and 4 regs at the table, then you’re bumhunting. That’s just ridiculous, it literally makes no sense.

So what are the criteria for being a 6max bumhunter? Here are the reasons that seem to make up the prevailing “wisdom” and why they are so ridiculous.

#1. They only sit at tables with fish.

First off, why would sitting at a table with 5 other players be a particularly profitable situation? Are we trying to make money at poker or are we here to measure various body parts? I didn’t realize that the egos of online poker players have eclipsed their greed. If that’s what’s happened, then poker just got a lot more profitable.

Secondly, a “fish” on most midstakes tables is someone who’s playing a 35 vpip. Thats probably not a profitable style for them, but they are by no means a 60/5 type guy who is bleeding money. Yet even if you make the effort to find tables with one weak player, 80% of your competition is still good thinking players. So if you have a winrate of 3 or 4 BB/100 and are one of the top earners at your limit, despite the fact that everyone tries to find weak players (why else are the waiting lists long when Scout shows up), then you are a bumhunter and suck at poker. The fact is when 80% of your competition are tough, good players and you never have an edge against them, you can’t win at 3 BB/100 just by having one fish at your table. This whole train of thought makes absolutely no sense

#2. They leave as soon as the fish leaves, and this in turn is bad for games.

Let’s get something straight. EVERYONE does this at mid/high stakes. Everytime I play a session, I’ll open what looks like a good table from the lobby, only to find the entire table sitting out. Or I’ll notice that one of my 12 tables is not running because the fish sat out, so everyone else did too. People don’t even wait for their big blind anymore, they just sit out. This is STANDARD, everyone does it, so singling out anyone specific as a bum hunter when they do this is simply ridiculous. I mean, when Scout leaves the game does everyone keep playing? Of course not, he’s driving the action, and he’s why everyone is there. This is just how poker works, but suddenly everyone is a bum hunter if they decide to waste their time playing a bunch of other good regulars instead of using that time to find a more profitable table? Some say that you should play an orbit to “keep the game going.” Who cares if that one table keeps going or not, there are plenty to choose from, we’re online here, its not like we’re in a casino where if our table breaks we might have to wait two hours to get another seat.

And how is this bad for the games? A fish leaves, the table breaks. A new fish shows up elsewhere, the table fills up, the waiting list fills up, the fish busts, everyone clears out, and this process repeats itself. This is how its always been, at least since early 2004 when I started playing. And if this is actually somehow bad for the games, why aren’t the games dead when everyone behaves in this exact manner, and has for years?

#3. They don’t help start new tables.

This one is just flailing, here’s why. Everyone knows one of the easiest ways to get a seat with a fish is to start a new table, this is online 6max poker 101. Fish don’t sign up for waiting lists, they grab the first seat they see. As a result, starting a new table gets them to sit with you, this is basic obvious stuff. So wouldn’t it stand to reason that any “bumhunter” would be starting lots of new tables? The argument against that is they “hate playing shorthanded or heads up.” Maybe they can’t handle a HU match against a good player while playing 12 tables? They know that, but they also know they are walking away from a potentially +EV spot if a fish shows up. So how exactly are they bumhunting when they pass up this opportunity?

I might be one of the few people who often welcomes heads up action when the table dies against a regular, simply because I’ve played so much HU that I think I have a HU edge when we both have 12 6max tables going. But the fact is if I’m in a couple tough spots elsewhere, its often better to just close the HU table so I can focus on the big-pot decisions. But when someone plays 3 HU hands against me and then quits, do I think less of him as a person? Do I lose respect for his 6max game? Do I rush to 2+2 to call him out? Of course not, he’s making the best EV decision for his current situation and doesn’t want to play heads up or 3 handed while he has a bunch other tables open. How is this not common sense? Why is this such a big deal?

Here’s the final reason this take is so ridiculous. Since when were there a shortage of mid-stakes games going on Stars and FTP? Why is everyone all of a sudden so concerned about starting new tables? Why does anyone care about this? Until you get to $10/$20 there are plenty of games going, and new tables fill up quickly. I guess I didn’t get the memo that outlined that as a professional poker, one of my obligations is to play with other professionals to start new tables because the 150 already sitting there aren’t enough.

#4. They only buy in for enough to cover the fish.

Again, this is standard, smart gambling. Barry Greenstein, in his book “Ace on the River,” page 96 said this: “If you are serious about making money, don’t put yourself in situations where you can lose a lot and win a little.” So if $10/$20 is above your bankroll, but there’s a fish with $1k on the table, should you not sit because you aren’t comfortable putting $2k on the table or should you sit with $1100 to cover the fish? No one’s short-stacking for 20bbs to cover another short-stacking fish, that’s just ridiculous and its not the issue here. If the fish has $1k on this table and you buy-in for $2k, the most you can win from the fish is $1k, but you can lose $2k to a good player. That’s not a very good option in general, especially if the limit is higher than your normal game. So why not put in enough to cover the fish while also protecting your bankroll? Since when did everyone hate 50bb stacks so much? They don’t ruin games like 20bb shortstackers do. What exactly is the problem here.

Conclusion

So for some reason certain people get singled out for being 6max bumhunters. My friend and fellow DragTheBar.com coach Leatherass is famous for it. Now BoyWonder, another very, very good player, has recently been attacked for the same thing. The Dang brothers also get mentioned in the list.

It is just getting completely out of control, there is a horde of people who are attacking individuals for being “bumhunters” when the term itself and the reasons for the criticisms simply make no logical sense. Maybe it has to do with what these guys have in common. Their work ethic to improving their game, their high win rates over large samples of hands, and the fact that they are all 7-figure winners at poker.

Is this where we are as an online poker society? Anyone who works their ass off to develop a strong game and then makes a million doing it is automatically marginalized, trivialized, and blasted for it? Simply because people have seen them leave the table with the fish, the same way everyone else does? Somehow that makes their results meaningless and their talents irrelevant? Are these not people that we all can learn something from? We shouldn’t respect their poker game and their big win rates for absurd reasons like this?

I’m gonna wrap this up with 2 quotes from an aejones post from a recent 2+2 thread:

“It would be impossible to bumhunt 50k hands a month, but table selecting (and especially position selecting) is certainly not a punishable offense.” -aejones

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=16875137&postcount=220

I’d like to thank him for clearing this up, since 50k hands in a month for an online pro is a joke. Oh yeah, his favorite “bumhunter” of all time, Leatherass, who aejones attacks and berates at every opportunity in his videos and on 2+2, plays at least twice that many hands every month and has for years.

The rest of his post is pretty good too and directly refutes the common bumhunting “wisdom” discussed above, all of which he’s championed over the years.

Anyway, I’m looking forward to everyone not calling every good player online a bumhunter, its especially bad for those doing the attacking because they are throwing away any interest in learning from some of the best players online, and that is burning money.

Hunter Bick